[alicebot-general] Comma's in <that>

Tue Jan 30 10:57:50 PST 2007

Well water tastes better than tap water.

So the main use of AIML for your project is as a pattern matcher, right?

R. Vince wrote:
> Hi Noel,
> 
> I am using AIML essentially as a front end, to an NLP system. This 
> simplifies things greatly, as I can take, say, categories like "Well *" and 
> just pass them along as "*".
> 
> But, ultimately, I am not using AIML to return the result to the user, just 
> to clean up input. Aside from that, I am trying to implement a full-blown 
> NLP system with seemingly good success thus far. However, I have been at 
> this a few years, and, to-date, can only answer queries that are of the 
> assertion type, e.g. yes/no, true/false. etc. The Wh-type I have not even 
> gotten to.
> 
> It is very difficult however, frought with hundreds of language complexities 
> which I have been seeking to overcome (pronoun resolution, multiple-names 
> for the same individual, etc. etc.). I DO find Aiml, however, to be superb 
> as a front-end filter for this type of system.
> 
> -Ralph
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Noel Bush" <noel at aitools.org>
> To: "Alicebot and AIML General Discussion" 
> <alicebot-general at list.alicebot.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [alicebot-general] Comma's in <that>
> 
> 
>> It would be interesting to hear more about how useful you find AIML in
>> the way you're using it.  It does seem to have this "general purpose"
>> capability, albeit with some gaps, but I don't know whether anyone has
>> really kept up an effort to implement something like you're describing
>> using AIML.  And it would be interesting to see AIML evaluated against
>> other tools for the same kind of front-end purposes.
>>
>> R. Vince wrote:
>>> Absolutely, but, the clarification (ambiguity reduction) seems to be at
>>> about the square root of the effort, which is fortunate. That is, if I do 
>>> 4
>>> units of work, I reduve 2 units of ambiguity. If 16 units of work,. w 
>>> units
>>> of ambiguity. In other words, since I know we'll never get 100% absence 
>>> of
>>> ambiguity (in fact, human beings themselves dont get this), if we can get 
>>> a
>>> good chunk of ambiguity resolved, it's worhtwhile I find.
>>>
>>> But you;re right, it's monstrous to do even that! -Ralph
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Noel Bush" <noel at aitools.org>
>>> To: "Alicebot and AIML General Discussion"
>>> <alicebot-general at list.alicebot.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:25 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [alicebot-general] Comma's in <that>
>>>
>>>
>>>> And I think that a linguist would tell you that it has consumed
>>>> uncountable person-decades of many people's time.  ;-)
>>>>
>>>> R. Vince wrote:
>>>>> Yes! There are POS taggers, but, it is the resolution of ambiguity via
>>>>> context after the initial tagging, to correctly tag, that is the
>>>>> challenge,
>>>>> and has consumed uncountable hours of my time! -Ralph Vince
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Noel Bush" <noel at aitools.org>
>>>>> To: "Alicebot and AIML General Discussion"
>>>>> <alicebot-general at list.alicebot.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:19 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [alicebot-general] Comma's in <that>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Now if it were only possible to accurately identify (or even define, 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> some cases) "parts of speech"..... :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> R. Vince wrote:
>>>>>>> Though not part of the AIML spec (and I am mentioneing this solely 
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> sake of some future coder faced with this problem, and how I resolved
>>>>>>> it), I
>>>>>>> tag the tokens with Part of Speech Tags as a pre-stage as part of the
>>>>>>> Normalizing process, before Normalizing. If the POS's on either side 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> comma are the same (e.g. Jack/NP ,/CC Jill/NP) I convert the comma 
>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> coordingating conjunction 'and' (thus producing Jack/NP and/CC
>>>>>>> Jill/NP).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the other hand, if the POS's on either side of the comma are NOT 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> same, I remove the comma (e.g. "In/CD the/DT end/NN ,/CC no/DT one/NN
>>>>>>> cares/VBZ" thus becomes ("in/CD the/DT end/NN no/DT one/NN 
>>>>>>> cares/VBZ").
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Essentially, if you wanted, a semicolon could be treated the same 
>>>>>>> way.
>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>> again, this is off-spec. I simply have incorporated it because I am
>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>> on parsing text via AIML as a front end to a larger system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Ralph Vince
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "mehri" <foreverlinux at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> To: <alicebot-general at list.alicebot.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:20 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [alicebot-general] Comma's in <that>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I ran into a particular issue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some AIML files are written with comma's in <that> and
>>>>>>>> some are not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For example,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <that>PRESS 1 TO KNOW WHAT THE MOUSE EATS, AND TO
>>>>>>>> DISCOVER ITS COLOUR</that>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and some are:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <that>PRESS 1 TO KNOW WHAT THE MOUSE EATS AND TO
>>>>>>>> DISCOVER ITS COLOUR</that>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do believe that <that>'s shouldn't contain comma's
>>>>>>>> or other punctuation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is that true?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I didn't see anywhere in the spec pointing to this
>>>>>>>> specifically, unless I missed something again in the
>>>>>>>> specification :-P
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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