[alicebot-aiethics] Re: Re: Re: [alicebot-general] Re: cog mod?

Tim Barker alicebot-aiethics@list.alicebot.org
Tue, 21 May 2002 20:57:06 +0100 

Personally I would so no to both of these examples but its a bit more 
complex than this plus what metrics do we use to evaluate worth ? I always 
have a problem measuring intelligence 'cause its intangible as are some of 
these other "moments". It depends on some kind of perspective. Also we 
haven't reached an epoch yet. I don't know if humanity will have an 
infinite lifetime but if it does come to an end then maybe that's the time 
to evaluate our influence in this universe ? I think the point was though 
that technology isn't untouchable either - it can still rise or fall or 
both, just like us...

Tim :)

At 12:44 21/05/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Was the destruction of the environment and all the killing worth a few great
>moments?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tim Barker" <timothy.barker@staffs.ac.uk>
>To: <alicebot-aiethics@list.alicebot.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:33 PM
>Subject: Re: [alicebot-aiethics] Re: Re: Re: [alicebot-general] Re: cog mod?
>
>
> > Of course Humanity has faults but some great moments have occurred too in
> > our short history. I was just attempting to be objective - sitting on the
> > fence, if you will. I guess the same has and will be true of technology -
> > good and bad, positive and negative - whether AI or something more mundane
>?
> >
> > Tim :)
> >
> > At 06:40 21/05/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> > >Some will always see the glass half-empty, other half full.
> > >
> > >My reading of history is that humans have an unfortunate tendency toward
> > >anthropcentrism: we are the center of the Universe, the top of the
> > >evolutionary ladder, the end of the food chain, and the only creatures
> > >blessed by God with self-awareness, reason, and language.  On top of all
> > >that, the Brain is the Greatest Computer in the World, a marvel of
>nature,
> > >wonderously complex beyond our ability to imagine.  Somehow our unique
> > >traits of "emotion", "compassion", "imagination", "adaptability" and so
>on
> > >must be the wellspring of this specialness.
> > >
> > >Unfortunately it has never been proved that our intelligence is a
>successful
> > >survival trait.  From an evolutionary standpoint, humankind is still
>almost
> > >statistically insignificant.   Lately it seems to me more and more than
> > >humans may be incapable of solving the problems, such as nuclear waste,
>that
> > >we have created for ourselves.   The flaws of human nature are all too
> > >visible in this world.  Just turn on the TV.  Just go down the street.
> > >Surely this wonderful amazing brilliant human brain would not permit so
>much
> > >suffering in this world.
> > >
> > >The brain is certainly getting a run for its money from programs like
>Deep
> > >Blue and ALICE.   For at least 100 years, since the initiation of Moore's
> > >Law, the brain has been an inferior calculator.  The brain is required to
> > >sleep, operates at a very low clock speed, and especially the male is
>driven
> > >to distraction by thoughts of reproduction far too much of the time.  If
>I
> > >were building a computer from scratch, the very last material I would
>choose
> > >is meat.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Anne Kootstra" <AKootstra@interplein.nl>
> > >To: <alicebot-general@list.alicebot.org>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 6:19 AM
> > >Subject: RE: Re: Re: [alicebot-general] Re: cog mod?
> > >
> > >
> > > > yeah, as if I'm going to take Woody serious. That'll be the day.
> > > >
> > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > > > Van: alicebot-general-admin@list.alicebot.org
> > > > [mailto:alicebot-general-admin@list.alicebot.org]Namens Dr. Richard S.
> > > > Wallace
> > > > Verzonden: dinsdag 21 mei 2002 14:55
> > > > Aan: alicebot-general@list.alicebot.org
> > > > CC: alicebot-aiethics@list.alicebot.org
> > > > Onderwerp: Re: Re: Re: [alicebot-general] Re: cog mod?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This would be a good point to remind folks that we have a wonderful
>forum
> > > > called alicebot-aiethics for disucssing topics like this one.
> > > >
> > > > "More than at any other time in its history, mankind stands at a
> > >crossroads.
> > > > One path leads to despair, and utter hopelessness.  The other, to
>total
> > > > destruction." --- Woody Allen
> > > >
> > > > Rich
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Tim Barker" <timothy.barker@staffs.ac.uk>
> > > > To: <alicebot-general@list.alicebot.org>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 5:41 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Re: Re: [alicebot-general] Re: cog mod?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > love, beauty, creativity, altruism, inventiveness, loyalty, liberty,
> > > > > imagination, adaptivity...etc, etc...
> > > > >
> > > > > At 05:32 21/05/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> > > > > >8 words: Meat powered humanoid artificially intelligent self
> > >reproducing
> > > > > >robots.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >What were our strengths again?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "Tim Barker" <timothy.barker@staffs.ac.uk>
> > > > > >To: <alicebot-general@list.alicebot.org>
> > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 5:19 AM
> > > > > >Subject: Re: Re: Re: [alicebot-general] Re: cog mod?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think its important not to lose sight of our strengths as well
>as
> > > > > > > acknowledging our weaknesses.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At 18:34 20/05/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Do we really want to make ALICE like us?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I hope not.  We are pathetic.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Rich
> > > > > > > >
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