[alicebot-aiethics] Re: Re: Re: [alicebot-general] Re: cog mod?

Tue, 21 May 2002 12:44:19 -0700

Was the destruction of the environment and all the killing worth a few great
moments?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Barker" <timothy.barker@staffs.ac.uk>
To: <alicebot-aiethics@list.alicebot.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [alicebot-aiethics] Re: Re: Re: [alicebot-general] Re: cog mod?

> Of course Humanity has faults but some great moments have occurred too in
> our short history. I was just attempting to be objective - sitting on the
> fence, if you will. I guess the same has and will be true of technology -
> good and bad, positive and negative - whether AI or something more mundane
?
>
> Tim :)
>
> At 06:40 21/05/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> >Some will always see the glass half-empty, other half full.
> >
> >My reading of history is that humans have an unfortunate tendency toward
> >anthropcentrism: we are the center of the Universe, the top of the
> >evolutionary ladder, the end of the food chain, and the only creatures
> >blessed by God with self-awareness, reason, and language.  On top of all
> >that, the Brain is the Greatest Computer in the World, a marvel of
nature,
> >wonderously complex beyond our ability to imagine.  Somehow our unique
> >traits of "emotion", "compassion", "imagination", "adaptability" and so
on
> >must be the wellspring of this specialness.
> >
> >Unfortunately it has never been proved that our intelligence is a
successful
> >survival trait.  From an evolutionary standpoint, humankind is still
almost
> >statistically insignificant.   Lately it seems to me more and more than
> >humans may be incapable of solving the problems, such as nuclear waste,
that
> >we have created for ourselves.   The flaws of human nature are all too
> >visible in this world.  Just turn on the TV.  Just go down the street.
> >Surely this wonderful amazing brilliant human brain would not permit so
much
> >suffering in this world.
> >
> >The brain is certainly getting a run for its money from programs like
Deep
> >Blue and ALICE.   For at least 100 years, since the initiation of Moore's
> >Law, the brain has been an inferior calculator.  The brain is required to
> >sleep, operates at a very low clock speed, and especially the male is
driven
> >to distraction by thoughts of reproduction far too much of the time.  If
I
> >were building a computer from scratch, the very last material I would
choose
> >is meat.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Anne Kootstra" <AKootstra@interplein.nl>
> >To: <alicebot-general@list.alicebot.org>
> >Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 6:19 AM
> >Subject: RE: Re: Re: [alicebot-general] Re: cog mod?
> >
> >
> > > yeah, as if I'm going to take Woody serious. That'll be the day.
> > >
> > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > > Van: alicebot-general-admin@list.alicebot.org
> > > [mailto:alicebot-general-admin@list.alicebot.org]Namens Dr. Richard S.
> > > Wallace
> > > Verzonden: dinsdag 21 mei 2002 14:55
> > > Aan: alicebot-general@list.alicebot.org
> > > CC: alicebot-aiethics@list.alicebot.org
> > > Onderwerp: Re: Re: Re: [alicebot-general] Re: cog mod?
> > >
> > >
> > > This would be a good point to remind folks that we have a wonderful
forum
> > > called alicebot-aiethics for disucssing topics like this one.
> > >
> > > "More than at any other time in its history, mankind stands at a
> >crossroads.
> > > One path leads to despair, and utter hopelessness.  The other, to
total
> > > destruction." --- Woody Allen
> > >
> > > Rich
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tim Barker" <timothy.barker@staffs.ac.uk>
> > > To: <alicebot-general@list.alicebot.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 5:41 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Re: Re: [alicebot-general] Re: cog mod?
> > >
> > >
> > > > love, beauty, creativity, altruism, inventiveness, loyalty, liberty,
> > > > imagination, adaptivity...etc, etc...
> > > >
> > > > At 05:32 21/05/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> > > > >8 words: Meat powered humanoid artificially intelligent self
> >reproducing
> > > > >robots.
> > > > >
> > > > >What were our strengths again?
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Tim Barker" <timothy.barker@staffs.ac.uk>
> > > > >To: <alicebot-general@list.alicebot.org>
> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 5:19 AM
> > > > >Subject: Re: Re: Re: [alicebot-general] Re: cog mod?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I think its important not to lose sight of our strengths as well
as
> > > > > > acknowledging our weaknesses.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tim
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At 18:34 20/05/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> > > > > > > > Do we really want to make ALICE like us?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I hope not.  We are pathetic.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Rich
> > > > > > >
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