[alicebot-aiethics] the attack

Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:26:52 -0700

Hi Andreas,

Thank you,  your words are very nice on a day like today.    Maybe we all do
have a chance at peace.

'have to go to sleep now, the world  clock always spins despite the realities,
Tamara

"Andreas H. Drescher" wrote:

> Take my hand
> for this peaceful reaction, Tamara!
>
> It shows,
> what "ethics" really means...
>
> I am shocked
> by these terrible pictures, too.
>
> A second German
>
> Andreas
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tamara Thompson" <txt5593@earthlink.net>
> To: <alicebot-aiethics@list.alicebot.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:01 AM
> Subject: [alicebot-aiethics] the attack
>
> > Thank you so much for your thoughts Christian.  I'm parsing them....
> >
> > All conversations now have been usurped by today's events.  I'm confused
> by it
> > all.  And I'm confused by my coworker's responses and reactions: "let's
> kick
> > their asses"    who's?  Everyone is assuming it's that poster child bad
> guy,
> > but I don't know that.
> >
> > So many rumours were tossed around this morning as fact: Americans
> shooting
> > down planes because they were out of radio contact...what to believe?
> >
> > And only my boyfriend had this thought:  why?  He meant, we need to look
> at
> > what we are doing to have this happen.  And he's not politically bent
> either
> > way.  He's a neutral peaceful soul.
> >
> > What's scaring me tonight is that I am not angry.  I am aghast, but not
> angry.
> > I hope it's not a delayed thing or something.  And I hope the US is mature
> and
> > responsible in how it handles this event.
> >
> > And Paco's reaction just surprised me completely.  I hope he's calmed down
> a
> > bit.
> >
> > peace,
> > Tamara
> >
> > Christian Dro?mann wrote:
> >
> > > Tamara Thompson wrote:
> > >
> > > > You're German?  <embarrassed smile>
> > >
> > > I am...there's no need to be embarassed...
> > >
> > > > Well, interestingly, I would have worded my thoughts differently
> > > > if I had known
> > > > that, though I always try to write my thoughts clearly and honestly.
> > >
> > > There is no need to spare me...speak freely :-)
> > > rather than criticise people for their opinions that are based on false
> or
> > > partially incorrect information, I try to provide them with proper
> > > information :-)
> > >
> > > > Okay, so educate me.  What are German kids taught about WWII?
> > > > You probably
> > > > know that we are taught that German's were the bad guys, real
> > > > black hat-white
> > > > hat story.  How does a little German kid in these times cope with
> > > > that kind of
> > > > world story?
> > >
> > > I was raised by my grandparents and my grandfather who was hit in the
> face
> > > by shrapnel of a russian grenade still has a large scar on his left
> > > cheek...whenever I asked him about it, he told me about what had
> happened to
> > > him and why he had to go to war...so I was confronted with history at a
> very
> > > early age...he said he liked Hitler in the early days because he gave
> the
> > > people food and work...and he was eager to fight for him, but when he
> saw
> > > combat for the first time he suddenly was afraid...and later he saw a
> couple
> > > of civilians being executed and when he asked his seargeant about the
> reason
> > > why, he just replied "They were jews, they deserved it!"...and then he
> > > started questioning the system (to himself, of course, as everyone who
> dared
> > > to question Hitler's orders was considered a traitor and was hung or
> shot at
> > > stake) and suddenly realized what Hitler and his men were really up to
> and
> > > he hated them ever since...
> > > The first time I heard about Hitler in schoold was in the 2nd or 3rd
> > > grade...
> > > I have never heard of any teacher who denied what happened in the 30s
> and
> > > 40s...(this is considered a federal crime anyway...Auschwitz and other
> > > incidents happened, they are confirmed, and anyone purposely denying
> this is
> > > committing a crime against all those people who suffered in those days)
> > > Young kids hear the truth about what Hitler did, although they don't get
> to
> > > hear all the details...but in higher grades history teachers show
> pictures
> > > and documentary films about the war and the KZs...in the 12th grade we
> even
> > > made a Trip to Weimar and the KZ in Buchenwald...this is to prevent our
> > > generation from making the same mistakes...
> > > But we were also told about the resistance against the Nazis...the
> attempted
> > > assassinations of Hitler that all failed and many more things about the
> > > other side...
> > > But as a kid I could cope with this part of history...and so I can
> > > nowadays...
> > >
> > > > Have you ever seen Herzog  or Wenders' films?  "Wings of Desire"?
> > > > (I think it's
> > > > really called "Skies over Berlin"?)
> > >
> > > Sorry, I haven't seen either of them yet...
> > >
> > > > If the rest of you guys haven't seen "Run Lola Run", a newer
> > > > German film, you
> > > > would love it.  It's a great statement on time and choices, maybe
> > > > very apropos
> > > > to this list.
> > >
> > > Yes, that's a film I can definitely recommend...another interesting film
> is
> > > "Das Boot" ("The Boat")...
> > >
> > > Christian
> > >
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