[alicebot-aiethics] mute point

Tamara Thompson alicebot-aiethics@list.alicebot.org
Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:40:38 -0700


Okay, this it, enough.  Robby, am I wrong here or what? (you must know how
much I admire you, for all that you are)

Are you sucking up or what?  yikes.  <grin>  For reality's sake, at least
acknowledge that Bush is one guy, one man, amidst a machinery of powerful
players.  And he's hanging in there, sometimes inspiring even me with his
words.  But American government demands that all Americans participate, and
sometimes that may mean evaluating, sometimes negatively, what our
President says and does.  That is what freedom is about.  Are you afraid
now?

Is this whole list a bunch of bots?  <sigh>  Okay, I don't mean to incite
trouble, honestly, I swear.

I say again in different words, something I have been trying to convey
since this tragedy happened: this is a grotesque and horrifying event.  But
perhaps the lesson here is important:  it's about who we are, and how we
react to crisis.  It's taught me, if not a lot of us, about ourselves--our
naive assumptions, our fears, our beliefs.  It's time for America to look
at itself under a microscope, and decide if it can improve it's world
standing, it's policies and it's politics.  It's time for us to free
ourselves of dangerous and bad behavior, and to act carefully,
acknowledging that we live in on a planet together.  Otherwise we get no
further than we been.  Come on  guys, I'm not some naive leftist
criticizing America, I'm looking for a successful future in all that I see
around me.

And the "IQ test" may be some elitist club, whose membership can be
bought.  Like "Mensa".  But reacting intelligently to this crisis means
having a grip on history, math, world politics, human biology and
psychology, and basic philosophy.  I actually would edit your approach
Robby, and say that I have come to believe that "motive" is as important or
more than "IQ".  I've just met a lot of folks that are kind of uneducated
or whatever, but have very powerful messages of how to "do good".

Is Lilbwana very young?  Sorry, I'm 38, sadly old in this world, is
Lilbwana younger?

confused and sad,
Tamara


Robby Garner wrote:

> I think you're right LilBwana,
>
> George W. Bush is doing a great job.  I didn't vote for him, but my
> respect and admiration for him is incredible now. It takes all kinds of
> people to make America work, it takes everyone.
>
> This kind of crisis to me just point out how important it is to elect
> people to office that bring honor and dignity to the office, and IQ is
> irrellevant. People tried to say that Gore was smart and Bush was dumb,
> but that isn't true, and is an unfair comparisson to begin with. IQ
> tests only measure how well you can take an IQ test - there is more than
> one kind of intelligence.
>
> Another thing I thought about is how lucky we are to have a president
> who followed in his own father's profession, and the wisdom and guidance
> that George W. must have had coming into this job.
>
> I am so thankful that George W. Bush is our president right now, and my
> opinions about politics and politicians has changed forever.
>
> Like LilBwana said, it is a real gift to be able to speak clearly enough
> that everyone can understand. It is a real gift to be able to lead and
> inspire people the way George W. Bush inspires America, and I'm so proud
> to be an American right now.
>
> Thanks LilBwana, and President Bush.
>
> Robby.
>
> > LilBwana wrote:
> >
> >         I prefer a President who for all intensive purposes selects
> > the members in his cabinet who can be of best use for the general
> > public, and who are professionals in their generally respective
> > office.  The fact that the Executive office is more than just "One
> > Man".  The fact that the president is Human, and can provide good PR.
> > The fact that our President can boil down his words so that the
> > majority of the population can "understand" what he is saying, thereby
> > allowing more of the population to be involved.  The fact that they
> > can understand what is being said, means that they are listening,
> > rather than a bunch of retoric about saying a lot of words mixed with
> > a lot of air.  It allows more people of the population to be involved
> > with what is going on in our society.  Contrary to your belief, not
> > everyone in America has an IQ of 150.  Too many politicians are
> > politicizing the whole role of government, and therefore their people
> > are not understanding what is going on, they do not know what the
> > supposed "educated" of our society are saying.  Regardless of their
> > IQ, they still have a say in what happens in this country, and the
> > more they comprehend, the better they will be able to elect the people
> > they wish to have represent them in office, and the more they will
> > care about what is going on in this country.
> >         But I guess it is always easier to kick a man when he is
> > trying to get up.  When he is starting to show the country that the
> > majority did not elect the wrong man.  But before he can prove that to
> > the American Public, he should be shot down.  He should be criticized
> > because he tells it like it is.  He is not the posterchild for
> > "Genius", and therefore shoud not be given the chance to show his true
> > colors.
> >         I guess the sense of Family no longer exists for a lot of
> > people who live in this country.  At the very heart of America lies
> > the ability to be united.  What happened to the feeling of support.
> > In a time of togetherness I can see that a lot of people want nothing
> > more than to distance themselves from that which terrorism has struck
> > the very heart of.
>
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