[alicebot-aiethics] harassment

[eric thompson]

Just as a point here, Islam itself is not the
philosophy originating these horrors. I have many
Islamic friends who consider this view of the world a
perversion. The factions are incorrectly identified as
"fundamentalists", when in fact they stray violently
from the fundamental beliefs of the religion.

Eric

--- Bill Easley <billeasley@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Thanks fo the response, Noel, I really do want to
> focus on what the problem
> is and the solution. I am studying as much as I can
> about this and I want to
> be accurate and as compassionate as possible- There
> are people really acting
> out hate towards people who had nothing to do with
> this- and I dont want to
> support that. No sane person would! Let me just give
> another example of why
> I am opposed to the practice of extream islam. In
> Afganistan, where Bin
> Ladden is probably hiding now- the radical islamic
> group basically running
> that country (that he is tied to) oppresses woman to
> extreams and have
> inposed a total ban the internet. Our technologies,
> such as chat bots, and
> all AI are completely prohibited. Intellectual
> freedom is not known. They
> believe by isolating themselves from the rest of the
> world and waging a holy
> war on America (which is why this attack probably
> happened) they will
> eventually create a "pure society"- their goal is to
> impose this on the
> world and assimilate it into thier vision. They have
> publically waged this
> war, it is no secret. This is the enemy- and from
> everything I have studied,
> there is no negotiating or reasoning with these
> people. They will lie, hate,
> kill, put thier children in harms way, and they
> sincerlly believe it is for
> god's sake and a pass for them to heaven. I am not
> confused about this- it
> is as real as can be. This islamic fanatical
> thinking is spreading to all
> parts of the world, and I believe unless we identify
> islam for what it is-we
> will continue to see more episodes of the horror
> seen Tuesday.
> The enemy is radical and fundimental islam.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel Bush" <noel@alicebot.org>
> To: <alicebot-aiethics@list.alicebot.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 2:16 PM
> Subject: RE: [alicebot-aiethics] harassment
> 
> 
> > I agree with Chris's statement and thank him for
> posting it.  Some of us
> > may be grappling to find a position in a situation
> like this -- I know I
> > am, and I feel like a lot of the things I'm saying
> are foolish, better
> > thought through more than thought out loud -- but
> one thing I can't
> > fathom is the sort of bigotry expressed in Bill's
> statement.
> >
> > Sorry, Bill, but I think you've just given another
> voice to the
> > seething, ill-informed hatred that lies in the
> hearts of so many people
> > in the US just as it does elsewhere.  I want to
> see the people and
> > states who did this punished as well.  But I am
> greatly disheartened to
> > read statements like yours, because it makes me
> feel that no sort of
> > "justice" has a chance if there are enough folks
> believing and acting
> > upon the sorts of things you've expressed.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: alicebot-aiethics-admin@list.alicebot.org
> > >
> [mailto:alicebot-aiethics-admin@list.alicebot.org]
> On Behalf
> > > Of Christopher Fahey [askROM]
> > > Sent: Saturday 15 September 2001 0:15
> > > To: alicebot-aiethics@list.alicebot.org
> > > Subject: RE: [alicebot-aiethics] harassment
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill Easley wrote:
> > >
> > > > Do we go after people and bash them because
> > > > of thier ethnicity or religion-no. Do we
> realize Islam is a
> > > > dangerous religion and to practice it devoutly
> leads it's
> > > > followers to isolationism, hatered and demands
> of it's
> > > > follwers to practice acts that could lead to
> terrorism-yes.
> > >
> > > Please, Bill. Your lip-service to the idea of
> 'tolerance' is
> > > undermined by your ugly, intolerant, prejudiced,
> and
> > > uninformed characterizations of Islam. Judging
> all of Islam
> > > based on what you know about Islamic
> fundamentalism is like
> > > judging all of the diverse world of Christianity
> based on
> > > Christian fundamentalism. It's blatantly
> prejudiced and
> > > somewhat disgusting.
> > >
> > > Think about what 'fundamentalism' is from a
> Christian
> > > perspective, and then ask yourself if Islamic
> fundamentalists
> > > really should be held up as a standard of what
> all of Islam
> > > is. Christian fundamentalists come in many
> varieties, but
> > > almost all of them have at least some beliefs
> that are about
> > > as far out of the mainstream (or even as 'sick')
> as what you
> > > ascribe to Islamic fundamentalists. Some think
> that women
> > > should always cover their heads, should be
> deprived of
> > > education, and are obliged to bear their
> husbands dozens of
> > > children. Some believe in polygamy. Some think
> that all
> > > non-Christians must be punished/converted and
> that we are in
> > > a global religious war against the infidels
> (and, in fact,
> > > you seem to come close to this belief). Some
> think that the
> > > earth is only 5,000 years old and that most
> scientists are
> > > demons. Here in the US, many advocate the
> destruction of the
> > > US government, as we so sadly found out in
> Oklahoma City.
> > > Many Christian-based cults take the form of
> armed militias.
> > > Anti-Semitism permeates Christian fundamentalism
> just like it
> > > permeates Islamic fundamentalism.
> > >
> > > This is not to say that the analogy is totally
> appropriate:
> > > Why do Islamic fundamentalists seem to have more
> power and
> > > influence in the Islamic world than Christian
> fundamentalists
> > > have in the US (although this is arguable)?
> > >
> > > One thing that differentiates the two is that
> Moslems around
> > > the world live, for the most part, in
> impoverished and
> > > oppressive circumstances - and their oppressors
> are usually
> > > supported by western governments like the US.
> Osama bin Laden
> > > has made no secret of his hatred for Saddam
> Hussein and of
> > > King Fahd - these oppressive regimes, to him,
> are "western
> > > creations" and in fact these are his real
> targets. The
> > > Islamic fundamentalist movement is, in many
> ways, a movement
> > > to restore faith, dignity, and honor to the
> corrupt
> > > governments of the Moslem world. Sounds a lot
> like GW Bush's
> > > campaign speeches (I'm not saying Bush is like a
> terrorist at
> > > all, I'm just saying that the desire to bring
> justice to your
> > > government is pretty normal). In most respects
> they are
> > > acting based on politics, not religion.
> > >
> > > Christian fundamentalists, on the other hand,
> tend to live in
> > > free countries with some degree of economic
> prosperity. Their
> > > goals are also to restore dignity and honor to
> our societies
> > > and governments. But (fortunately for us)
> western governments
> > > already are pretty free of corruption and
> oppression
> > > (especially in comparison to the governments of
> the Middle
> 
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