[alicebot-aiethics] the attack

[Andreas H. Drescher]

Take my hand
for this peaceful reaction, Tamara!

It shows,
what "ethics" really means...

I am shocked
by these terrible pictures, too.

A second German

Andreas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tamara Thompson" <txt5593@earthlink.net>
To: <alicebot-aiethics@list.alicebot.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:01 AM
Subject: [alicebot-aiethics] the attack


> Thank you so much for your thoughts Christian.  I'm parsing them....
>
> All conversations now have been usurped by today's events.  I'm confused
by it
> all.  And I'm confused by my coworker's responses and reactions: "let's
kick
> their asses"    who's?  Everyone is assuming it's that poster child bad
guy,
> but I don't know that.
>
> So many rumours were tossed around this morning as fact: Americans
shooting
> down planes because they were out of radio contact...what to believe?
>
> And only my boyfriend had this thought:  why?  He meant, we need to look
at
> what we are doing to have this happen.  And he's not politically bent
either
> way.  He's a neutral peaceful soul.
>
> What's scaring me tonight is that I am not angry.  I am aghast, but not
angry.
> I hope it's not a delayed thing or something.  And I hope the US is mature
and
> responsible in how it handles this event.
>
> And Paco's reaction just surprised me completely.  I hope he's calmed down
a
> bit.
>
> peace,
> Tamara
>
> Christian Dro?mann wrote:
>
> > Tamara Thompson wrote:
> >
> > > You're German?  <embarrassed smile>
> >
> > I am...there's no need to be embarassed...
> >
> > > Well, interestingly, I would have worded my thoughts differently
> > > if I had known
> > > that, though I always try to write my thoughts clearly and honestly.
> >
> > There is no need to spare me...speak freely :-)
> > rather than criticise people for their opinions that are based on false
or
> > partially incorrect information, I try to provide them with proper
> > information :-)
> >
> > > Okay, so educate me.  What are German kids taught about WWII?
> > > You probably
> > > know that we are taught that German's were the bad guys, real
> > > black hat-white
> > > hat story.  How does a little German kid in these times cope with
> > > that kind of
> > > world story?
> >
> > I was raised by my grandparents and my grandfather who was hit in the
face
> > by shrapnel of a russian grenade still has a large scar on his left
> > cheek...whenever I asked him about it, he told me about what had
happened to
> > him and why he had to go to war...so I was confronted with history at a
very
> > early age...he said he liked Hitler in the early days because he gave
the
> > people food and work...and he was eager to fight for him, but when he
saw
> > combat for the first time he suddenly was afraid...and later he saw a
couple
> > of civilians being executed and when he asked his seargeant about the
reason
> > why, he just replied "They were jews, they deserved it!"...and then he
> > started questioning the system (to himself, of course, as everyone who
dared
> > to question Hitler's orders was considered a traitor and was hung or
shot at
> > stake) and suddenly realized what Hitler and his men were really up to
and
> > he hated them ever since...
> > The first time I heard about Hitler in schoold was in the 2nd or 3rd
> > grade...
> > I have never heard of any teacher who denied what happened in the 30s
and
> > 40s...(this is considered a federal crime anyway...Auschwitz and other
> > incidents happened, they are confirmed, and anyone purposely denying
this is
> > committing a crime against all those people who suffered in those days)
> > Young kids hear the truth about what Hitler did, although they don't get
to
> > hear all the details...but in higher grades history teachers show
pictures
> > and documentary films about the war and the KZs...in the 12th grade we
even
> > made a Trip to Weimar and the KZ in Buchenwald...this is to prevent our
> > generation from making the same mistakes...
> > But we were also told about the resistance against the Nazis...the
attempted
> > assassinations of Hitler that all failed and many more things about the
> > other side...
> > But as a kid I could cope with this part of history...and so I can
> > nowadays...
> >
> > > Have you ever seen Herzog  or Wenders' films?  "Wings of Desire"?
> > > (I think it's
> > > really called "Skies over Berlin"?)
> >
> > Sorry, I haven't seen either of them yet...
> >
> > > If the rest of you guys haven't seen "Run Lola Run", a newer
> > > German film, you
> > > would love it.  It's a great statement on time and choices, maybe
> > > very apropos
> > > to this list.
> >
> > Yes, that's a film I can definitely recommend...another interesting film
is
> > "Das Boot" ("The Boat")...
> >
> > Christian
> >
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