[alicebot-aiethics] the attack

[Tamara Thompson]

Thank you so much for your thoughts Christian.  I'm parsing them....

All conversations now have been usurped by today's events.  I'm confused by it
all.  And I'm confused by my coworker's responses and reactions: "let's kick
their asses"    who's?  Everyone is assuming it's that poster child bad guy,
but I don't know that.

So many rumours were tossed around this morning as fact: Americans shooting
down planes because they were out of radio contact...what to believe?

And only my boyfriend had this thought:  why?  He meant, we need to look at
what we are doing to have this happen.  And he's not politically bent either
way.  He's a neutral peaceful soul.

What's scaring me tonight is that I am not angry.  I am aghast, but not angry.
I hope it's not a delayed thing or something.  And I hope the US is mature and
responsible in how it handles this event.

And Paco's reaction just surprised me completely.  I hope he's calmed down a
bit.

peace,
Tamara

Christian Dro?mann wrote:

> Tamara Thompson wrote:
>
> > You're German?  <embarrassed smile>
>
> I am...there's no need to be embarassed...
>
> > Well, interestingly, I would have worded my thoughts differently
> > if I had known
> > that, though I always try to write my thoughts clearly and honestly.
>
> There is no need to spare me...speak freely :-)
> rather than criticise people for their opinions that are based on false or
> partially incorrect information, I try to provide them with proper
> information :-)
>
> > Okay, so educate me.  What are German kids taught about WWII?
> > You probably
> > know that we are taught that German's were the bad guys, real
> > black hat-white
> > hat story.  How does a little German kid in these times cope with
> > that kind of
> > world story?
>
> I was raised by my grandparents and my grandfather who was hit in the face
> by shrapnel of a russian grenade still has a large scar on his left
> cheek...whenever I asked him about it, he told me about what had happened to
> him and why he had to go to war...so I was confronted with history at a very
> early age...he said he liked Hitler in the early days because he gave the
> people food and work...and he was eager to fight for him, but when he saw
> combat for the first time he suddenly was afraid...and later he saw a couple
> of civilians being executed and when he asked his seargeant about the reason
> why, he just replied "They were jews, they deserved it!"...and then he
> started questioning the system (to himself, of course, as everyone who dared
> to question Hitler's orders was considered a traitor and was hung or shot at
> stake) and suddenly realized what Hitler and his men were really up to and
> he hated them ever since...
> The first time I heard about Hitler in schoold was in the 2nd or 3rd
> grade...
> I have never heard of any teacher who denied what happened in the 30s and
> 40s...(this is considered a federal crime anyway...Auschwitz and other
> incidents happened, they are confirmed, and anyone purposely denying this is
> committing a crime against all those people who suffered in those days)
> Young kids hear the truth about what Hitler did, although they don't get to
> hear all the details...but in higher grades history teachers show pictures
> and documentary films about the war and the KZs...in the 12th grade we even
> made a Trip to Weimar and the KZ in Buchenwald...this is to prevent our
> generation from making the same mistakes...
> But we were also told about the resistance against the Nazis...the attempted
> assassinations of Hitler that all failed and many more things about the
> other side...
> But as a kid I could cope with this part of history...and so I can
> nowadays...
>
> > Have you ever seen Herzog  or Wenders' films?  "Wings of Desire"?
> > (I think it's
> > really called "Skies over Berlin"?)
>
> Sorry, I haven't seen either of them yet...
>
> > If the rest of you guys haven't seen "Run Lola Run", a newer
> > German film, you
> > would love it.  It's a great statement on time and choices, maybe
> > very apropos
> > to this list.
>
> Yes, that's a film I can definitely recommend...another interesting film is
> "Das Boot" ("The Boat")...
>
> Christian
>
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