AW: AW: AW: AW: [aiethics] What are humans made of?

[Jared M]

Alicebot AI Ethics Committee - http://www.alicebot.org


It seems that your arguements have devolved to "Am I?" and "Do I?" and =
"Is it?" and "Does it?" in certain instances, to all of which I will =
answer "Yes".  Also, you've demanded proof time and again.  I say to you =
that you have no right to demand proof as most of your arguements are =
arbitrary.  I say "Do the research yourself" even citing certain search =
engines (yes, look again...try harder to read).  You have no right to =
make any analogies referring to my childhood and yours.  Ours, I =
guarantee, were far different.  You have written paragraphs on =
rhetorical questions and silly examples (namely the horrible example of =
a paradox involving Hawking's time, entropy and universal expansion =
dichotomy--I yield to your greater knowledge, but it was merely an =
example...I could have replaced it with numerous others).  I honestly =
felt that I had something to gain from you.  I felt that I might here =
some type of arguement that I hadn't heard before (although, you know as =
well as I do, that!
 I believe that if I were the only one on the earth who subscribed to =
such a philosophy, and I'm absolutely not, that I am correct).  You make =
fun of my use of language (Pedro, I think it was you who made fun of my =
saying "fully wrong"...yes, you are FULLY and ABSOLUTELY wrong, unlike =
those moderates who kind of mix things up with objectivism and =
subjectivism--You're all wrong). =20

Semantics, idiocy and evasion.  That's our problem here.  Semantics =
being our issue on emotion vs instinct.  Dross you wrote that I do not =
use reason when I choose not to climb a building.  This demonstrates =
exactly why I feel I'm superior to you (not because I use polemics).  =
Because I DO use reason.  I am not an animal.  The reason I do not climb =
the building is because I fear heights.  You however, are incapable of =
moving against your fear.  You must be an animal, with instincts, who =
feels fear and immediately becomes its servant without choice (of =
course, you have chosen not to make a choice but to follow your fears =
immediately--you are worse than amoral, you're immoral).  You are an =
animal.  I am a human.  Thus the superiority complex.  Idiocy being your =
inability to understand my arguements (though I admit it may be =
partially due to my inability to MAKE my arguements--for instance the =
part about Kant being insultingA:  I CONSIDER it an insult but that is =
not to say it IS!
 an insult, but I doubt that's a large part of it).  You say that you =
don't refuse to admit your fallacies, you simply don't see them as =
fallacies--Given.  I assumed you were able to understand.  Evasion being =
your evasion of key elements of my arguements..  I noticed that you do =
not respond to some of my counter arguements (in which I've clearly =
defeated your point) negatively or positively.  You simply evade them =
and go parading like a mindless brute. =20

To those of you with whom I have not yet conversed on this committee:  =
I'm not talking to you. =20

I joined this list for my selfish benefit.  I did it to benefit me, in =
that I subscribed to the the agnostic (I'm not referring to its =
disbelief in God as such, I am an atheist) down the street that I can =
never fully know that I'm right by principle.  I must experience and =
experience.  Now I understand that my principles will always be =
undefeatable.  You know, I truly felt that I would read something, =
anything, that I hadn't heard or read before--I haven't.  I've heard it =
all, that is, from professors at William and Mary, let alone people like =
you.  I felt that I had something to gain.  I have nothing to gain from =
you.  Objectivist Epistemology holds that understanding the truth is =
agreeing with the truth and agreeing with the truth is understanding the =
truth.  I KNOW my arguements are infallable as there ARE ways to know =
this.  Unlike Kant, I believe, Aristotle believed, Rand believed that =
things DO have properties and they can be understood.  Kant obviously =
didn't understand!
 this truth.  You obviously do not understand this truth.  Do not say to =
me that I "need to have an open mind, because at your age I felt that I =
knew everything too!".  The difference between you and me (and i speak =
to those who say or have said that) is that you FELT that you knew =
everything at my age.  I KNOW that I know everything at my age.  I have =
stood on the shoulders of giants.  I am looking down on you. =20

You have whined "But it's not that black and white!  Just because I =
believe this doesn't mean I'm following the likes of Nazi Germany, =
Soviet Russia or the New Deal America!".  I warn you, you will soon be =
whining "But this isn't what I meant!" when we are ruled by tyrannical =
subjectivists here in America (we're coming closer:  Nader was the =
closest thing to Stalin we've ever had in an election).  Well, I refuse =
to accept your pitiful whining.  It IS that black and white.  =
Collectivism, subjectivism and immoralism is the root of our evil.  That =
is where you lie. =20

However, I am confident the likes of you will die out.  No, your body =
won't die, your beliefs will die.  That is to say that you will one day =
be able to admit your fallacies and/or understand them.  However, I'm =
not going to put my last penny on it.=20

This will be my last letter to you (disappointingly so...I have yet to =
converse with the others).  Let me close with something you've probably =
read or heard before (as you're all just experts!): =20

"The greatest guilt today is that of people who accept collectivism by =
moral default; the people who seek protection from necessity of taking a =
stand, by refusing to admit to themselves the nature of that which they =
are accepting; the people who support plans specifically designed to =
achieve serfdom, but hide behind the empty assertion that they are =
lovers of freedom, with no concrete meaning attached to the word; the =
people who believe that thecontent of ideas need not be examined, that =
principles need not be defined, and that facts can be eliminated by =
keeping one's eyes shut.  They expect, when they find themselves in a =
world of bloody ruins and concentration camps, to escape moral =
responsibility by wailing:  "But I didn't mean this!

"Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper =
name.  They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating =
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its =
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of =
the ultimate consequences to which these principles lead. =20

"They must face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not."

-Ayn Rand, 1946

I have chosen that passage because you have largely accused me of that =
which you are parading.  The closing of the mind.  In fact, I have =
opened my mind, that is, to that which I have reason to believe is the =
truth.  But I refuse to open my mind to that which I KNOW is false.  =
When you can finally understand the true meaning of what you preach, you =
may then be free.  =20




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