AW: AW: [aiethics] What are humans made of?

Jared M logically@37.com
Mon, 18 Jun 2001 06:05:03 +0400


Alicebot AI Ethics Committee - http://www.alicebot.org


Now I will address the secondary issue.  As I sigh at your unwillingness =
to admit your fallacies I will sowly tear them down for your witnessing. =
 But first I'll gladly oblige by explaining how Hitler is relevantly =
Platolian, other than the fact that he admitted it. =20

Hitler was a Nazi.  That's right, say it.  Nazis were national =
socialists.  Let's examine what a socialist is.  Well, a socialist =
believes in sacrificing the individual to the group.  Ok so we've =
established that.  The group is the most important to the socialists.  =
What do we call that boys and girls?  We call that collectivism.  So now =
we've broken it down to collectivism.  We've not yet gone that far and =
we haven't far to go kids. =20

Collectivists vs. Individualists - Subjectivists vs. Objectivists.  It's =
as simple as this.  Collectivists refuse to accept the objective reality =
that a human exists as an end in himself, NOT as a means to the end of =
another.  This means that a human is responsible for himself, and should =
receive benefits for being an individual (pride and punishment).  After =
all, the entity 'society' does not exist, rather it is merely a group of =
individuals.  Also, collectivists believe that a human is not a human =
for the reason I stated above.  But MOST OF ALL collectivists believe =
that the group's opinion is the truth because they do not believe in =
objective reality.  They accept whatever the mob votes as the truth.  =
Individualists believe that even if 5.99999 billion other people believe =
one thing, they can still be wrong (theoretically, all people in this =
world could believe 2+2=3D5 but they'd all be wrong because by asserting =
the fact that two 2's exist you assert the fact that they are e!
qual to 4).  Collectivists around the world assert their platform as =
such.  You are a collectivist, much like Hitler or Stalin.  This does =
not mean you will kill me some day but, hell, I guess I can't count on =
it!

P.S. - I'd like to address what Drossman said about "my truth" and "his =
truth"...truth, by definition, is something that exists before people.  =
Therefore, I deem what you just wrote absolute bullshit (and PLEASE =
excuse my french but I mean to convey a STRONG IDEA here...I do not mean =
any insult!).  It's nonsense!  My truth, your truth?  You're not talking =
about fact you're talking about opinion.  Of course your arguements =
aren't the truth at all because you don't believe in truth! =20


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