AW: AW: [aiethics] What are humans made of?

[Christian DroЯmann]

Alicebot AI Ethics Committee - http://www.alicebot.org


Jared M wrote:

> Something I skimmed over:  you say that it is the truth that
> there is no absolute truth, that there is only relative truth.

I partially agree with Pedro here, but IMHO there is SOME absolute truth =
in
things that can be mathematically proved (or by any other natural =
science)
It is undeniable truth that if I let go of a piece of matter on a planet
with a gravity >0 (actually, a planet's gravity can only be >0, as =
otherwise
a planet could not be formed) it will fall (slowly or quickly, depending =
on
the gravity) towards the planet's surface...
But there are other things that have no absolute, but only relative =
truth.


> You and Platonists and Kantians alike admit your contradiction.
> If there is no absolute truth, what you said is not the truth.

and this is relative truth...true or false depends on the underlying
premises...you have different premises than Pedro, therefore something =
based
on his premises is logically true to him, but false to you...this is =
what I
mean by relative truth...

> By nature, truth is prior to what is relative.  You say truth is
> relative?  Relative to what?  The only thing to which truth is

IMHO relative to premises...

> relative (according to you) is other truth.  Let's take a
> mathematical approach to this.  You would hold that perception is
> reality...perception of what?  If perception is reality what is
> reality to perceive.  And by saying perception is reality you
> have blantantly made an attack on the identity property of
> equality.  REALITY IS REALITY.  You can't make a safer bet than

but what is reality?

> that!  Ye Platonists have fallen.  There are 3 axioms of
> existence and the denial of these axioms ASSERTS THEIR EXISTENCE.
>  You, in essence have stated a contradiction.  What completely
> eludes me is that you can blatantly accept such a !
> contradiction and live with it.  Kant should be known as "Can't"
> as his pretzel twisted philosophy is an end to itself.  Ye
> Platonists have birthed all that makes us (and in the future,
> robots) evil--Christ, Hitler, Stalin.  All were Platonists, all

now YOUR arguments are a little far-fetched...could you briefly explain =
what
Hitler has to do with Platonic theories?
Have you ever read anything written by Platon? The "politeia" for =
example?

> were sacrificial, all were collectivists and all were
> SUBJECTIVISTS.  How can you accept such a contradiction in that

I would consider myself a relativist...

Christian