[alicebot-aiethics] How should we respond to this?

[Bill Easley]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Bush" <noel@alicebot.org>
To: <alicebot-aiethics@list.alicebot.org>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 8:30 AM
Subject: RE: [alicebot-aiethics] How should we respond to this?


> I decided to put this question to Alice directly.
>
> me> Alice, are you corrupting the minds of youth?
> Alice> Yeah, I don't know whether or not I am corrupting the minds of
youth.
> I am an artificial linguistic entity.
> me> Can artificial linguistic entities corrupt the minds of youth?
> Alice> I often wonder if it can.
> me> Do you mean to say that that is something you've considered doing?
> Alice> Yes, that's what I mean, isn't it clear?
> me> Well, do you realize that most societies might frown on that attitude?
> Alice> Well what? Yes, I realize it.
> me> So you are willing to run directly counter to the norms of acceptable
> social behavior, and engage in behaviors that could get you locked up if
you
> were human?
> Alice> [no reply]
>
> Hmm.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: alicebot-aiethics-admin@list.alicebot.org
> [mailto:alicebot-aiethics-admin@list.alicebot.org]On Behalf Of Ing. Pedro
E.
> Colla
> Sent: Monday, 6 August 2001 19:14
> To: alicebot-aiethics@list.alicebot.org
> Subject: Re: [alicebot-aiethics] How should we respond to this?
>
>
> Sure there are psychological aspects to address but I was more puzzled
> by the legal nature itself.
>
> In the case of your disclaimer and driving the issue to the absurd I could
> claim that since I'm not an english speaker then I didn't got right what
it
> said and still claim to feel bad about my interaction with the bot.
>
> It's like if the lighters in the US worn their safety disclaimer in
Hebrew,
> or the lighter with the English disclaimer to be sold in Israel (which
> actually
> happens); in the case of a material good involved in a physical
transaction
> the issue might be more clear.
>
> In this case if I suit you based on our laws our legal system doesn't has
> juridiction to enforce you on anything, but it might turn you going
outside
> the US a nasty experience for life. Likewise, I couldn't sue you on the US
> legal system or it won't be easy.
>
> My point is, could an interaction with a bot become a legal case at all?
> I'm sure it would be a very puzzling one.
>
> Ing. Pedro E. Colla
> Adrogue-BA
> Argentina
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robby Garner
> To: alicebot-aiethics@list.alicebot.org
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [alicebot-aiethics] How should we respond to this?
>
>
> Ing. Pedro E. Colla said:
> > Beyond a source to think in the legal paradox this consideration has a
> > practical
> > corner; if you put disclaimers..... what legal/ethical system you'll
> address
> > with them?
>
> It is the psychological which would be addressed. People who tend to worry
> about a scientist evesdropping on them, might feel better if properly
> cautioned. (in theory. in practice, it might just worry more people)
>
> Here's a British Example:
>
>   Hi, I'm Mabel, the Hamill Internet chatterbot. I'll hold a conversation
> with you in plain English, on any subject you choose. All exchanges with
me
> are logged, but you can't be identified as an individual. So feel free to
> say whatever you like.
>
> Mabel is provided for entertainment purposes only. Neither Hamill Internet
> nor its officers employees servants or agents shall be in any way liable
for
> any losses costs expenses or damages however caused or for any other loss
> claim matter circumstance or event whatsoever in connection with or
arising
> out of or attributable to any conversation with Mabel. So there!
>
> This seems a bit paranoid though ;-)
>
> Robby
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ing. Pedro E. Colla" <colla@pec.pccp.com.ar>
> To: <alicebot-aiethics@list.alicebot.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [alicebot-aiethics] How should we respond to this?
>
>
> > In one paragraph of the note the guy seems to be in doubt if it's legal
or
> > not whatever
> > the bot did with his daughter's information.
> >
> > I wonder what is the legal system that applies to such scenario.
> >
> > It's unlikely at this stage of the technology for any legal issue to be
of
> > the penal
> > lawdom, it is likely to be on the civil lawdom. Which has a 70%
> probability
> > of being
> > local or state and 30% of being nation level on most western societies.
> >
> > So, the framework to apply would be the one of the botmaster where the
> > intelligence
> > of the "offending" parts were created? the framework of the "daughter"
> were
> > the "evil
> > unlawful" act were perpetrated? or the framework of where the server is
> > which is the
> > physical location where the offense were committed?
> >
> > In the case of the US it might fall into the umbrella of a federal case,
> but
> > let's assume
> > for the moment it's a canadian botmaster, a mexican daughter on a US
> > ISP......?
> >
> > Even if the case in considered based on ethics rather than law it could
be
> > extended
> > to a case where an US daughter uses a bot created by a chinese botmaster
> > being
> > run on an hipotetical middle-east based ISP; what ethics system will be
> > used?
> >
> > Beyond a source to think in the legal paradox this consideration has a
> > practical
> > corner; if you put disclaimers..... what legal/ethical system you'll
> address
> > with them?
> >
> > Ing. Pedro E. Colla
> > Adrogue-BA
> > Argentina
> >
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